Subject: Re: [PageStreamSupport] But? Hard spaces inserting visible characters From: Henry G Belot Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:11:57 -0400 To: PageStreamSupport@yahoogroups.com Tim: > I've only seen that when the font actually had such a box defined as the glyph. Rather annoying... I don't have pgs windows to hand (I'm at work) but on osx with5.05.1 I don't see this. Meaning, a font with a proper em space does not display anything other than space.... > Okay, it looks like you guys have collectively narrowed this down. I haven't explored further since the first message, but when I put all the answers together, they explain what I saw. I omitted from my previous post that I had looked at several fonts, that I had tried inserting the space character through the Windows character map utility and had been unable to find hard spaces in any of the fonts I tried, and that an em-space inserted into a Word document and copied there, produced an alphabetic character when pasted into the PageStream document. For the record, the font in the document is Century Gothic and where it came from I'm not sure. The only fonts I've added to my computers in recent years have been licensed versions of commercial fonts, but I can't say for sure whether I searched for the hard spaces in any of those. > /[Follow-up e-mail:] /Just to try and be clear... What PgS shows in the character picker is a dashed box outlining a theoretical bounding box for the en space, em space, etc. > > Is this dashed box what you are referring to as seeing? Or is it a solid lined box or some other glyph?... Correct again. It's the solid rectangle, not the dashed place marker that's appearing on screen and in the documents. I knew there was something strange about what I thought was a "place marker." Couldn't put my finger on it. But it points to something that hasn't come up in the discussion, unless David Stevens brings it up. Haven't read his response yet. Evidently, these most recent versions of PageStream are inserting default hard spaces in the document. In each case, there is what appears to be the appropriate amount of space within the text for the real thing. The unfilled rectangle shows up against the leading edge of that space, but doesn't fill it. If you decrease the width of the text box, the bullet and text stay together when the line word wraps. > /[From Theo:] /Eeks! I wrote: Bookman Old Style / Century Schoolbook / DejaVu Sans / Palatino Linotype doesn't have this behavior (Just tried a couple fonts on my Windows XP system). But that is for PGS 5.0.4.4!!! > Those fonts have solid boxes in PGS 5.0.4.46.... Okay, that helps narrow things down a bit more than my 5.0.2.10 situation does. I think the problem with cropped graphics in the PDF files may have been fixed in 5.0.4.4. I should keep that in mind. > /[Tim again:]/ ...I can confirm that on OSX 5.0.5.1 that Palatino (I'm assuming distributed with OSX, I don't think I installed that myself) does *not* show the .notdef character in the "insert character" dialog but *does* display the .notdef rectangle in the document. Looks like a bug to me.... That's an interesting twist. I think I bought my version of Palatino from ITC. (Used to love that font.) I haven't checked it, though. Looks like Deron needs to get out the Flit or the flyswatter. (Boy, that's an old reference. Flit was a bug spray whose advertising made it famous. But I think it was gone from the market by the 1950's. There are still references to it in old movies and radio shows.) HB PageStream 5.0.2.10 Pro (My usual working version) Windows XP Home (SP3) Intel Core 2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz 2 GB RAM